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Colonel Carter
01-23-2006, 04:33 AM
I wonder what your thoughts are about Sheppard being a descended Ancient.

In a couple of recent episodes we saw the Ancient who had fallen in love with Sam seasons ago become mortal again, choosing to become a child so he could hold on longer to his ascended knowledge. But once that knowledge was spent he no longer had any memory of who he truly was, or of his people. In every way he seemed like an ordinary human child by the end.

I think John may be just like this guy. Here's my reasons why...

1. John Sheppard was the only one in the series premiere who we didn't see say good-bye to anyone. Weir said good-bye to her boyfriend, McKay to his neighbor, Beckett to his mom, Ford to his grandparents. We just saw John flip a coin - probably trying to decide whether to accept the mission or not.

Now that alone isn't enough to suggest he's a descended Ancient. After all, McKay and Weir didn't say good-bye to family members.

So on to the next point...

2. John Sheppard naturally possesses the Ancient gene and is able to control Ancient technology unlike anyone else. I'm willing to bet he's more of a natural at it than even Jack O'Neill who seems to have to concentrate a bit more than John.

Furthermore...

3. In the episode in seaosn 1 where they met a female Ancient on a planet who visited Atlantis with them before she had to go back to protect the people on her planet - she made a comment to John indicating that he was more Ancient than he knew, or something to that effect.

So in conclusion...

It's possible that John Sheppard was once an Ancient. For whatever reason, he became mortal again, either by his own choosing or was forced by the others. If he was like Oma Desala and crossed the line too many times, it's possible that they forced him out.

However, that doesn't explain why they would have wiped his memory and chances are, he was a child and we have no record of them ever forcing one of their own to become mortal again and to become a child. We actually have no record of them forcing any of their own to become mortal again. Daniel wasn't one of their own. As we see with the Ancient they met on that planet, they punished her by making her protect that one planet.

It's possible then that John Sheppard as an Ancient saw a reason to become mortal, like the guy a couple episodes back. He chose then to take on the form of a child to retain his ascended knowledge longer. Though any reason escapes me as it would have likely been the 1970's when he did this.

So motivation is unknown, but everything else seems to point to the possibility that he is a descended Ancient who took human form to retain his knowledge until he completely forgot who he was. Or that he was punished by the other Ancients who wiped his memory clean.

So John would have no parents, he probably grew up in children's homes and foster homes. He probably joined the Air Force as an escape but probably having had no loving and nurturing parents growing up, he was a bit of a rebel. Either that or his Ancient personality was shining through and he was unaware of it.

Another thought which may seem even more far-fetched is that he is the son of at least one Ancient. That seems a bit more strange to me.

So, thought anyone?

Colonel Carter
01-27-2006, 11:42 PM
Okay, it's been five days and I'm showing that nobody has even viewed this thread yet.

Yoo hoo people. Anyone have any thoughts about this theory?

Anissa T
01-28-2006, 06:01 AM
I think it may be a counter problem. I have read this twice, just haven't had the time to really think about it before I've posted.

I had the same problem on another ezboard. I knew I had been in a thread atleast 3 times, but it showed zero.

Colonel Carter
01-28-2006, 06:13 AM
Lovely. I have a problem with the board logging me out as well, more often than it should.

I'll look forward to reading your thoughts after you've thought about it. :)

Anissa T
01-28-2006, 06:50 AM
Yeah, with ezboard it's sometimes just hit or miss.

Anissa T
01-28-2006, 05:05 PM
I'm not sure I buy it, but it's certainly an entertaining possibility. I did wonder what that ancient meant when she told John that.

I had assumed that she just meant that he had more of the gene than anyone else. Your one parent being an ancient theory would work in that scenario, which would be very interesting.

But, then we didn't see anything about Dr. Beckett. Doesn't he possess the gene as well?

It would certainly be interesting to see how the writers use Joe's character. But, I'm still not buying that he was descended because although they wiped Daniels memories,
Daniel still knew he was ascended, just couldn't remember anything about being ascended.

I wouldn't mind a storyline about Dr. Beckett and his gene as well as exploring the ascended parent thing.

And someone somewhere had an ancient parent. I'm thinking that's the only way these people could have the naturally occuring gene.

Colonel Carter
01-28-2006, 06:06 PM
Except that I don't think he'd be so much like Daniel but like Orlin. Orlin chose to become a human child and eventually lost all knowledge that he was ever ascended. That's more who I think John is like. I think he became a human child from an ascended form in an effort to hold on to his ascended memories longer and ended up just like Orlin, completely unaware of his true identity or of really anything. His mind became a blank slate.

I didn't think her words to him meant he had more of the gene than anyone else because her words indicated that there was more to him than he realized and he already knew that.

Beckett also had the gene, I don't think he did gene therapy to get it but it's natural. But this only supports my theory more because you wrote...

"And someone somewhere had an ancient parent. I'm thinking that's the only way these people could have the naturally occuring gene."

Beckett would seem to show his gene has been passed down through his genealogy for a very long time to the point it is severely weakened today probably from all the gene mixing with people of non-Ancient genes. And it seems that most people are like Beckett in that, including if they get the gene therapy. But Sheppard, as Dr. Weir put it, "Does it naturally." Which makes you assume that his Ancient DNA is the result of more direct line to the Ancients. Either an Ancient or two descended and had a child (and maybe they were killed for it which is why he didn't seem to have parents to say goodbye to) or he is an Ancient, which I think is more plausible. The idea of his parents descending and having a child sound way to Star-Trekish because they had that scenario in an episode of Next Generation where they found a girl with Q capabilities and found out her parents were both Q's who chose to live like mortals and had a child and the rest of the Q's in anger brought a torndao down on their house, only their house. And I'm not for them making Atlantis any more like Star Trek.

Anissa T
01-29-2006, 02:45 AM
(and maybe they were killed for it which is why he didn't seem to have parents to say goodbye to)

I actualy like that idea. Not like Star Trek though. Perhaps (for whatever reason) they for whatever reason had him and then had to hide him among the human race. However, only one problem with that theory. If he had two ancient parents, wouldn't he have more powers. Unless, you have to have knowledge of the powers in order to use them. Like they don't just start working all of a sudden.

Hmmm.....this could work.

Nice thinking!

Colonel Carter
01-29-2006, 03:35 AM
Orlin didn't appear to have any unique powers or ability when he became mortal. Which makes you wonder actually since when he ascended he was more advanced than us, he should still be advanced physically.

I would imagine his parents had the power to make him not have special abilities but to be like humans today.

Anissa T
01-31-2006, 02:56 AM
I have to wonder though. In SG1, the one ancient they came in contact with made them all sick. I'm wondering why that one made them sick and why Orlin hasn't made them sick. Just wondering.

I'm wondering how that is going to workout with Stargate Atlantis, especially since at one point, Elizabeth spent a bit of time with them.

Hmmm....

Colonel Carter
01-31-2006, 03:29 AM
You mean the Ancient they found in the ice? She never ascended. Orlin ascended. When Daniel ascended his body was cured of the radiation poisoning, so we can assume all Ancients who ascended were cured from the plague. But because the woman in the ice never ascended, she was never cured from it. Makes you wonder how she got frozen alive in ice though. And how that could preserve her for hundreds of thousands of years and why the Atlantis techniques of freezing a person couldn't.

Anissa T
01-31-2006, 06:40 AM
Ah hah!

She was an ancient, but not asended. That makes total sense. Maybe the whole freezing thing isn't something the Ancients had perfected, while ice is almost a natural preservative (sp??). Maybe along with being humanly advanced, the ice just kept her that way. I mean, good gracious she came back to life after the ice melted.