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[yukitoyu22]

"And what of Stargate Universe, the highly anticipated third TV series in the franchise? "I don't know!" Cooper said. "Unfortunately it takes a really long time to get deals done. And then everybody wants everything tomorrow."

The series has been pitched, and the decision on the next step currently rests with MGM -- as does the decision for a third SG-1 movie. An MGM representative told GateWorld that the studio is not ready to comment on either just yet.

"I'm not trying to be elusive," he added. "But I feel like we've been predicting things for a couple of years now, and I almost kind of want to say, 'When it happens, it happens.'" "

(Full Article (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/03/cooper_has_plans_for_iatlantisi_.shtml))

While this is vague, I'm wondering why people can hunt down spoilers for the dvds before they are released, but that there is virtually no information on this third show.

I dunno, but everytime I read someone's interview on the new series, I get this funny feeling like even they aren't quite sure what it's about either.

[Anissa T]

I think they "may" know, but don't want to say anything because MGM may not give them the go, so what's the point. Or, that they pitched something and MGM is trying to change it.

Hard to say!

[Robin K]

Personally, I think MGM is reluctant to go forward with another "stargate" show. They embraced Atlantis, and the writers literally killed SG-1, which had been one of the highest rated sci-fi shows ever. The suits might be a tad wary of allowing this same group to start yet another show, and to treat Atlantis they way they did SG-1. Why risk a show that's doing moderately well for something that might flop from the very beginning, seeing as how there won't be any sort of 'lead-in' from Atlantis to this new 'spin-off'.

Sort of serves the SOB's right for what they did to Stargate SG-1. As the old saying goes, what goes around, comes around!

[Angelica Constantine]

Gees Atlantis better not go anywhere...I will be very up set if it does.

[yukitoyu22]

I dunno, I also think MGM is a little, I dunno.. stupid. Probably not the right word. Probably it's more like 'corporate idiots concerned solely with money' or something, but it's late and I've been struggling with an essay to properly form a succint description.

I find that MGM especially (though I realize more major production houses are the same) tend to do money over product. I wish it was different and maybe that makes me naive, but I can't help it. I mean, they had a Stargate Xbox 360 game and they let it slip through their fingers with no real reason why they cancelled it and they didn't fight harder to get it back (and I won't even begin to complain about how it was already finished to boot).

I realize my last two paragraphs were more drabble and rant than anything coherent..

What I'm trying to say is that I hope MGM looks at the story and the fanbase and considers them equally along with the financial and rating potential.

I think our television experience has, in general, dwindled in intelligence and compelling shows as the years go on because the big corporations are looking at what 'sells' and not what makes a good story.

I don't want Stargate Universe to get tossed aside because MGM is too scared to lose some money. If we all were like that, nothing would be written, nothing would be invented, and we'd all still be living on one side of the world.

(I apologize if none of this made any sense at all)

[Robin K]

I understand being tired and the brain not firing on all cylinders...been there a time or two myself.

The sad truth of the matter is, in our world today, in societies all across the globe, profit is the motivator. No profit, no taking the risk. Money talks, baby, and that's the way it is, right or wrong.

Studios have been that way since their inception, with good cause...if they venture too often without success, sources of income disappear. MGM is no different, no better or worse than any other studio. I hold to fault the writers, particularly and most especially Robert Cooper. He tossed out SG-1 because 'he' was tired of writing for it. I have no doubt that writing for a new show is exciting. However, that is NEVER an excuse to turn out ****-poor to lousy scripts for a previously successful show. The writers and producers screwed the pooch big time when they changed everything in SG-1 starting with the first episode of season 9. (They had already drifted from the basis of the show toward the end of season 7. Season 8 was the last season of the REAL Stargate SG-1). They lost their fan base, and now they don't have enough to justify the risk of a third 'spin off' to MGM. I know there are a lot of people who like Atlantis. However, those numbers are nowhere near the fan base that Stargate SG-1 had.

I suppose all we can do is wait and see. Personally, I'd just as soon they not do another crappy show that will only drag down the Stargate reputation. Seasons 9 and 10 did far too much damage as it is.

[yukitoyu22]

I guess I just come from the theatre part of entertainment where people do things often not because of money but because they want to tell a story to people. That's also why most theatre actors and writers are poor and have second and third jobs.

[colonel Mitchell]

i dont understand vwhat is so important about the money if it were my desicion i would let them air it so long as people like it. do you know what i mean?

[Robin K]

I guess I just come from the theatre part of entertainment where people do things often not because of money but because they want to tell a story to people. That's also why most theatre actors and writers are poor and have second and third jobs.

Which is why you often find that theater actors rarely venture into the movie/television world. Those who do become part of the money making machine. I know that there are movie/television actors who got their start on stage, and return there occasionally (MS comes to mind). But for the most part, the two worlds remain separate, and it really is because there are those who simply want to tell a story, and others who want to make BIG money. I don't believe that the two are totally exclusive, I think it's possible to do both. We just rarely see that happen.

As for the new Stargate show, with nary a whisper to be heard, I think it's a safe bet to assume that it's an idea that has been scrapped, or at the very least, put on a back burner somewhere. Too many fans are still upset about the decline and demise of Stargate SG-1, so very many left the fandom (as far as watching the show on television) that the 'base' that TPTB really need to support any new attempts just isn't available. And, as the saying goes; "Once burned, twice shy." Not too many 'original' Stargate fans are going to risk investing emotionally in a new show put out by the same people who so willingly destroyed a good thing. Gaters I've chatted with really don't seem too interested in any 'new' shows, not after the lousy way the writers treated SG-1. As one of my friends said, 'they couldn't stay true to the show that was created from the movie, how can we trust them to stay true to even the idea of the Stargate universe in a new venture?' Then one of my readers suggested that 'they tried the 'new show' thing with the last two seasons of SG-1, and we saw how well that turned out. Bleh! So how can these writers come up with anything worth our time now?' I happen to totally agree with both statements.

[Robin K]

i dont understand vwhat is so important about the money if it were my desicion i would let them air it so long as people like it. do you know what i mean?

As I stated in the post above:

"Studios have been that way since their inception, with good cause...if they venture too often without success, sources of income disappear. MGM is no different, no better or worse than any other studio."

Without the capital (money) to produce the shows, there would be no shows on television. I'm sure there are a lot of things the executives would like to air. But without reasonable return, that's bad business. And remember, always remember...it's called show BUSINESS for a reason. It's a business just the same as newspapers, grocery stores, manufacturing plants, restaurants, etc.

[Lemuria]

Breathe, Robin! Breathe! LOL.

Robin, I would love to get you in a room with the Stargate SG-1 writers. That and me sitting there on the front row with a bowl of popcorn.:raz:

[Angelica Constantine]

oooh, Lem share that popcorn...only make mine with lotsa butter...LOL

[colonel Mitchell]

hey i want to join! lol

[Lemuria]

Okay. All forum members will sit down and have popcorn and watch Robin K lay the verbal smackdown on the SG-1 writers. LOL.

[Angelica Constantine]

XD You go girl...LOL

[Robin K]

Ya know, I do think I could say a thing or two...or three...or ten...one of my biggest complaints is that towards the end of the show, it seemed the writers couldn't even follow their own canon! Suddenly Sam, Teal'c and Daniel were too stupid to be able to find a solution to the situation without Cam and (*gag*) Vala.

I know one thing...ANYTHING that Robert Cooper is involved with, I'll probably avoid. He IS a good screenplay writer. He's just too arrogant to remember exactly which side of his bread is buttered. And I don't waste my time on people like that.

[EmmaFan]

Are you serious, there is going to be a third Stargate series?
Because if so that is awesome!

[brymstone]

Hi EmmaFan. Welcome to the boards. And yeah, it's been on the cards for a while now. Check this link (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/06/wright_istargate_universei_news_.shtml) for the latest Universe news. Pretty interesting article.

[Dev Brown]

Personnally, I'd prefer they focus on Atlantis rather than createing another spin-off.

[Robin K]

Dev, if this group stays true to form, they'll 'abandon' Atlantis in favor of the new show, and then do something totally stupid with Atlantis which will result in its untimely death.

(Anyone willing to lay odds on that? *grin*)

[Dev Brown]

Yeah, true.
I hope it doesn't come to that. A lot of Stargate projects are cancelled before they actually start of (SGI, Stargate the Alliance).

[brymstone]

IMO, Alliance was a joke from the get-go. Excellent concept, but no direction.

[Robin K]

Stargate: The Alliance...that was the video game right? Never made it off of the drawing board?

[brymstone]

That's the one. Now there's Stargate Worlds, which has made decent headway.

[Dev Brown]

Actually, SG The Alliance made it to the beta stage (I even heard gold somewhere) but then the publisher broke with the designer and no new publisher was found.

[Robin K]

Has that one been released yet? (Just nosy...I'm not into video games.)

[Dev Brown]

I take it you mean SG Worlds? No.

[Robin K]

Yes, I did mean SG Worlds, sorry for not clarifying!

Is it due out soon?

[brymstone]

I couldn't find any news of a release date. http://www.stargateworlds.com/

[brymstone]

According to this video, the SGW team are hoping to get a release out around the end of this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvbfuQDl7U&NR=1

[stardino]

Actually the show is posed to be hopefully separate from Atlantis or what they rumored in the beginning.

[Dev Brown]

yeah, but that would still mean they'd somehow screw up Atlantis, or kill SGU after it s first season.