Is it Really Possible...The Stargate theory...etc

[Angelica Constantine]

I am not sure if this is the right spot for this thread, but I am sure someone will move it if it is not.

I was just thinking...is it really possible, considering todays advancement to make a ship like the Daedalus or the Prometheus? Wether you do or do not taking into account the whole 'Gate' theory? Do you think we are really ready to meet alien races? Or to defend ourselves against and attack from whom ever out there? Do you think there is a secret agency, group, what have you anywhere in the world that has already contacted aliens or the like? The Consperacy Theory?
I am sure, eveyone has thoughts and comments on these type of questions and more.
Please, feel free to express yourself. No answer, thought, quiry is too extreme? :bear:

[Colonel Sampras]

Well einstein had some kind of theory about wormholes so I guess. I think, it would be possible but not now. Many problems need solving first

I think its something like, if time and space was shaped like an U you could create a shortcut by going between or something, sorry i dont have phd in anything!

Something like this:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h79/ZampraZ/Worm3.jpg

[Anissa T]

No. I don't think we are "ready" to meet aliens. We can't even get along, not have war with other human beings let alone meeting aliens from other planets, galaxies or another universe.

I think there probably is/are groups out there both civilian and military who know a bit more than us, but I don't think they are hiding anything of great significance. For goodness sake, our media (earth in general) can't even keep top secret missions secret, let alone keep something of this magnitude quiet.

JMHO!

[Angelica Constantine]

Thanks for responding the both of you...
Now, all you lerkers out there, who have viewed this thread ...I know you all have thought and threorys...common. No, answer is right or wrong. Please, all participate...
Inquiring minds want to know...;)

[Colonel Sampras]

I mean, stupid usa's govurnment would proabably nuke whatever they encounterd. Then they would return and nuke us tenfold. I do not believe it's right for just one gouvernment to decide earths faith. I think there should be some diplomats like D. Jackson who actually cares about the people, and not just military chumps who just wanna nuke everything!
We are definatley not ready to meet aliens. Although I do believe in grey men.
Yes I do.
Don't call me stupid.
I have seen myself

[Angelica Constantine]

Nobody is gonna call ya stupid CS. If you believe you saw them... we are not here to judge you.

But maybe I should have labled this a sticky thread.
- But personally I don not think we should be States bashin'. No, I am not American, but to try to keep the peace around here...lets keep that part to a minimum k. Many members on this site are Americans.... Even if they agree with you they have to say so.
Yes, you have a right to speak you mind dear...everything else is free range. I am not trying to be mean..but I know how tender some can be about this subject. ;)


I do agree about having real caring diplomats in the gov. like D. Jackson. That would be nice..even up here in Canada. They would be cuter too...;) jk...perhaps not. LOL

[Colonel Sampras]

No I wasn't serious about seeing one. I do find the topic rather interesting. I think it's oddball that everyone reported the same sort of aliens at the same time all starting in the 50ths. There are som undeniable video footage, of unidentified aircrafts, caught on tape or video that just aren't of human design, it's really weird. I really do believe there are aliens here on earth

[Colonel Sampras]

This one is so fake but reminded me of goa'ould motherships! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw

[Anissa T]

I mean, stupid usa's govurnment would proabably nuke whatever they encounterd.

Only individuals are stupid, not the government itself. The set up of the American government is sound and just, while it is individuals who make it look bad. And, having been affiliated with military/government my entire life, I truly believe when it comes to meeting alien life not from our planet, nukes would be a last resort.

I would however strongly agree that we need more D. Jacksons. I'm not sure the world is without them, as opposed to people (both governments, rebel factions and civilians) not listening to them.

[Angelica Constantine]

I hope NewFan I handled that correctly. I am just trying to keep the peace. :)

[Anissa T]

Absolutely. My response was with no malice. Just a response. :shug:

[Angelica Constantine]

Hehe kool...

Noticed I have not given my :2cents on this subject...and I won't till even I can get it straight in my own head. It is such a complicated subject. But I will comment and such on evryone elses....;)

[Robin K]

I hope NewFan I handled that correctly. I am just trying to keep the peace. :)

You did just fine!


I don't pretend to know anything about quantum physics. I do enjoy reading about the discoveries that are continually being made, and the fact that just when scientists are convinced that something isn't possible, they learn that it is.

As for having contact with aliens, this planet would tear itself apart...not political entities, but religious groups would be in an uproar. Man-made religions are for one purpose only...to allow the few to control the many. Do I believe in greater intelligence...Supreme Beings if you will? Absolutely. Do I believe in one god, or any of the writings by man attributed to one god? No.

We are NOT alone in the universe. Mathematical statics alone insist that we aren't. Are we the most intelligent beings in the universe? Hardly. Should we be actively pursuing contact? (As is being done in the S.E.T.I. program.) Maybe. The thing of it is, the unknown is always exciting, and a bit frightening.

We're off in one little corner of the universe. Until we can get our act together here, we might be better off not going out there.

Just my:2cents:

[Lemuria]

Honestly, I don't know why any advance race would ever want to visit us. It is not like there is any good left in this world. They would probably look at us, shake their heads and fly away and try to forget they ever saw us. I know I would.

[Anissa T]

There is good left in the world, it's all locked up in our little hearts. Innocence is good, curiousity is good, empathy and compassion are good. Unfortunately, it's not the going trend. However, it is our responsibility as adults and parents to teach our future generation how far those qualities will go, even if our society will not.

[Black Hunter]

I have to agree with what was siad earlier...even if it were possible, we'd most likely just blow whatever we find to kingdom come...this planet just ain't ready for anything quite like that.

[Robin K]

Honestly, I don't know why any advance race would ever want to visit us. It is not like there is any good left in this world. They would probably look at us, shake their heads and fly away and try to forget they ever saw us. I know I would.

"It is not like there is any good left in this world."

I think that is about the saddest comment I have ever heard. There is incalculable good in this world. Turn off the mainstream media, they'll never see it or report on it. Take a walk down the street. Listen to the laughter of children. Pet a cat or a dog. Listen to the stories told by the senior citizens, listen to them reminisce about their childhood, and the fun times they had then. Go to an art museum and marvel at the talent that resides in so many...in all of us. Stop in at a local 'Help House' (or whatever your community calls the food bank that feeds the less fortunate) and watch the volunteers, and those who receive the help they need. Walk in a garden or a park and marvel at nature. When you can see all of these things, then you'll see that each and every one of us is capable of such greatness, such creativity, such love, such joy. Reach for it. Embrace it. And when you're feeling down...smile at someone. You'll be amazed at the warm, wonderful smiles you receive in return. And you'll never know how many people you'll touch, how that one smile might make a stressful day just a little better.

(Okay, I'm off my soapbox now...teehee)

[Colonel Sampras]

Still, as long as the unviverse has existed, human existance is as big as a fart in the wind if you feel me... The risk that any intelligent life forms, would exist in the same fart, and be smart enough to contact us is outmost slim. But still possible.

I wonder how alien life would screw up religion, I mean would everyone abandon their religion? If there were a entire system out there like in the SG series, I believe all current religions would seem as dumb as people believing in thor and the scandinavian gods

[Angelica Constantine]

I wonder how alien life would screw up religion, I mean would everyone abandon their religion? If there were a entire system out there like in the SG series, I believe all current religions would seem as dumb as people believing in thor and the scandinavian gods
I don't know about 'dumb' CS...just ignorant to the truth I guess you would call it. I feel that people should believe what ever they feel in there heart is right.

That is why my best friend Lemuria is a Christian and I am a Druid. I have never ever told her that her religion was wrong and she has never done that to me. If we two of two very diffrent religions can get along why can't the rest of the world?

Robin you have so many awsome points too numerous to mention that I will just say... I agree...;)


Honestly, I don't know why any advance race would ever want to visit us. It is not like there is any good left in this world. They would probably look at us, shake their heads and fly away and try to forget they ever saw us. I know I would.

Oh, my Lemuria...There is so much love in the world and so many unsung hero's, that the world is just too preoccupied with the wars and such, to see the good in all of us. I think that we have potential for peace and I am sure any intelligent species that visits us will be able to see it. We may need the out side help to give us the shake down we really need for all of us, the whole world, to see and unite as one.

[Colonel Sampras]

I am a bit sceptic to everything. I can believe theres a god, but maybe not as any religion potrays it. I can believe religion is for mankind to not believe that death is the end. Is death the end? I can't tell... Supernatural things can just be an explanation for things we do not understand. I can't really tell for sure wheter religion is ridicolous or true, I mean there have been so many religions, which we find rather dumb. Will people find cristianity dumb in the future? So many unrevealed secrets... very interesting

theres even a theory that humans were delevloped to fart. yes fart. It's something in the fart that earth needs that only humans can produce, and that we would have to be intelligent enough to realize it.
Rather weird theory which I do not believe in


hmm maybe i should get into physics>quantrum physics and find a soloution? (hoping that I will be recruted to a top secret military project called the Stardoor. It's a door that de-molecularize (spelling¿) you and sends you through a snakehole through the universe!) maybe )

[Anissa T]

I am a bit sceptic to everything. I can believe theres a god, but maybe not as any religion potrays it. I can believe religion is for mankind to not believe that death is the end. Is death the end? I can't tell... Supernatural things can just be an explanation for things we do not understand. I can't really tell for sure wheter religion is ridicolous or true, I mean there have been so many religions, which we find rather dumb. Will people find cristianity dumb in the future? So many unrevealed secrets... very interesting


I suppose it is all how you look at it. I don't find all religions dumb. Well, I don't find any of them dumb, as opposed to having to realize my own ignorance regarding them. It depends on what you as an individual are looking for. While, I do believe in God, I wouldn't consider myself religious. Many people have a hard time with this concept. And, despite proclaiming to be a Christian, I do not align myself with any one church, as opposed to having a Christian relationship with the the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Or, atleast I try.

Now, if I met an alien, would that destroy my belief system. No. Just like watching (and enjoying) Stargate SG1 has not despite the implications of the show. It is just another event in my life, that I will have to figure how it applies to me. Just because there are aliens, doesn't mean there is no God. It just means there are aliens.

[Colonel Sampras]

Who knows? Maybe god really does exsist and did not only create Earth. I mean if there were more planets I don't see why he should nor shouldn't tell us. That's just irrelevant really. Seeing an alien would seriously shake my faith in any form of religion

[Colonel Carter]

I don't think we have that kind of knowledge of technology. I still love the scene at the end of season 1 when Jack and co. had to try and explain to Bra'tac that their world had space shuttles rather than powerful spaceships.

[Angelica Constantine]

Hehe, Good one Carter. I liked that part too.

[Colonel Sampras]

What I don't get with jaffa rebellion is, if they were allmighty, why would they need jaffa? Why would they not have killed the shol'va yet? Why oh why do gods get defeated?

[Colonel Sampras]

Oh yeah I just read up on black holes, and I care not explain how it works but answer the question more directly!

If a wormhole is to be made, you would need a black and a white hole, you can't escape from within the event horizon of a black hole because the pull is so strong not even light can escape, and you can't travel faster then light. (Which means if you saw one get pulled into a black hole you would see that sight until the black hole evaporated). Anyhow, in theory it would be possible to pop in a black hole and pop out a white hole, but we don't even know for sure if white holes exist, mathematically they could but it doesn't mean they do. Now even if it was possible, it would be most unstable and you wouldn't be able to travel! Now even if it was stable, you moving into it would probably make it loose all it's stability, anyway you would not survive the journey thanks to x and gamma rays. It is possible though that the white hole would be in an entire different unvierse, I didn't read that hard but it had something to do with black and white holes going different ways in time and having them react would cause a wormhole. To make this work, we would probably need to de-molycularize (spelling?) us before, and we would have to be able to create an artificiall black and white hole in the other galaxy. This would be highly unlikley. Maybe if we had SUPER advanced technology but as it is now we don't stand a chance. We don't even know if white holes exist. If it was a black hole you would be ripped apart befor you could even begin to approach the event horizon so meh. I think space ships and hyper drive engines are our best bets!

[Anissa T]

Why oh why do gods get defeated?

Because they weren't gods to begin with. LOL!

[Colonel Sampras]

Yeah but the jaffa seem kinda retared, they say gods canno't die, but once they die they just join another system lord?

[Angelica Constantine]

Good point CS.
Blind Loyalty, I guess....Sometimes they get drafted or taken as prizes of the other system lord. The spoils of war. Whome ever defeated the goa'uld (god) to begin with. Or takes over the dead goa'ulds teritory...they inherit the Jaffa that once belong to the other goa'uld. That is the ones whom don't die because they faught to defend an already dead god. They are born and bred not to question their gods and I really think they should have.
Yes, I do know the literal term of Shol'va...but for me 'Shol'va' just means they are a free thinker and have chosen their own way. Inessence....Teal'c.

[Robin K]

Yeah but the jaffa seem kinda retared, they say gods canno't die, but once they die they just join another system lord?

The Jaffa were turned into slaves by making them carry the Prim'ta (Goa'uld young) in 'pouches' that had been genetically engineered into their bodies. Once a Jaffa had reached the age of "Prim'ta", the pouch was 'opened' and a Goa'uld larvae inserted. Their own immune systems more or less collapsed, and they depended on the Goa'uld larvae for their very lives. Jaffa means "faithful ones", but that 'loyalty' was forced. Also, most of the Goa'uld 'gods' held most of the Jaffa in fear for their families. Look at how Apophis tried to get to Teal'c by using Rya'c.

Without their own 'god' to see to it that they had the Prim'ta they needed to survive, they had to join up with another Goa'uld. Simple survival.

Because of the discovery of Tretonin, the Jaffa were able to completely break away from the Goa'uld. Proving they didn't remain in place by choice so much as by necessity.

[Angelica Constantine]

Smarty pants....

[Robin K]

Smarty pants....


LOL! It's all the research I have to do for my stories! Trust me, I've learned things I NEVER thought I'd need to know! But, the devil is in the details, and if one is going to write fan fiction, it's best to know what you're talking about! :wink: (That's true for ANY writing...a story is only as good as the effort put into it!)

[Angelica Constantine]

Hehe, Thats why I stick to AU's. Atleast I can make things up that i really don't know. Nuttin like flying by the seat of your pants on things and getting away with it. Thats alright..I am that way with Star Trek and LOTR stuff. Can ask me almost anything in both gandras and I can't do the whole professional thing you do, but I getter done. LOL


a story is only as good as the effort put into it!
Don't I know it. Sometimes I spend more time researching than I do writing. I am writing a story right now that takes place in Japan. So, I decided to learn Japanese. Konichiwa. (its 4:20 am what did you expect...Welcome to Japan, have a nice day? in Japanese...Perhaps tomorrow..LOL)
Just like my last story was about China...I learned Mandarin....LOL

[Robin K]

Hehe, Thats why I stick to AU's. Atleast I can make things up that i really don't know. Nuttin like flying by the seat of your pants on things and getting away with it. Thats alright..I am that way with Star Trek and LOTR stuff. Can ask me almost anything in both gandras and I can't do the whole professional thing you do, but I getter done. LOL


Don't I know it. Sometimes I spend more time researching than I do writing. I am writing a story right now that takes place in Japan. So, I decided to learn Japanese. Konichiwa. (its 4:20 am what did you expect...Welcome to Japan, have a nice day? in Japanese...Perhaps tomorrow..LOL)
Just like my last story was about China...I learned Mandarin....LOL


Even AU's need to have a bit of canon in them, if only in the characters themselves. To be perfectly honest, AU is a bit of a misnomer...ALL fan fic is basically an AU, because the author is NOT writing for the original storyline. Alternate Realities is what those stories should be called. An Alternate Universe implies that nothing is the same, not even the characters. (At least that's the way I understand it.)

[Angelica Constantine]

Of course I use cannon. AU is just an Alternate Universe where anything can happen. It is a parallel universe where most things are the same but some odd things are slightly diffrent. The slightly diffrent is up to the writers imagination as long as it is plausable to the cannon. Like I can not exactly have the USS Enterprise flying into the Atlantis universe unless it is a cross over and even then it is a little touchy. Lets continue this in PM shall we?

[Colonel Sampras]

Even though they depended on goa'oulds for symbiotes, it doesn't explain why they still believe them to be goods

[Anissa T]

They don't "all" believe them to be gods. I think that was the point that Robin was making in her explanation about the Tretonin.

[Colonel Sampras]

aha ok

[Robin K]

When the first explorers made it into the jungles of the Amazon back in the 50's, (yeah, that late in history!) the natives believed them to be gods because of their equipment. Lighters...who but a 'god' could 'create' fire from their fingers? Flashlights...who but a 'god' could carry around a small bit of the sun?

So when the Goa'uld show up, using all of the technology they stole from the Ancients (remember, the Ancients ascended as an entire race, so the Goa'uld just moved in and took over what was left behind...they ARE parasitic!), storming around like they did, among people who weren't technologically advanced, they appeared to be gods.

Look at it this way. If you took your computer, (we'll assume that through this 'connection' you'll be able to access the internet), your Ipod, your microwave, your electric blanket, and your television back to medieval times, you would be considered a god, because only a god could do those things...right? Yet, for us, it's just the everyday, ordinary tools and gizmos of our lives. It's all a matter of perspective. If you'll notice, the Goa'uld don't bother those planets where the people are more advanced, unless they're after something specific. The reason is that the people wouldn't buy the whole "bow before me I am your god" line. They will militarily threaten an planet (Season 5, "Between Two Fires", for example, when the Goa'uld used the Tollan to try to defeat the Tau'ri).

It didn't take long for most of the Jaffa to know the truth. Being dependent upon Goa'uld larvae to simply survive forced them to accept the situation. Look at how quickly the rebellion grew when tretonin was discovered!

[Colonel Sampras]

I would try to form some sort of rebellion, or try to flee and kill another jaffa when I needed a new symbiote. I would rather escape or die trying then kill innocent people to serve a false god

[Robin K]

I would try to form some sort of rebellion, or try to flee and kill another jaffa when I needed a new symbiote. I would rather escape or die trying then kill innocent people to serve a false god


Which is why Teal'c joined O'Neill, Carter and Jackson in the first episode. And which is why there is the Jaffa rebellion.

[Colonel Sampras]

Yah

[Robin K]

I don't think that the Jaffa truly believed that they could free themselves from the Goa'uld before the Tau'ri came stumbling through the 'gate, simply because the Goa'uld had all the gadgets and advantages. But once Teal'c took that step of faith, others followed quickly...Bra'tac spread the news pretty quickly, I think.

[Colonel Sampras]

If I was in sg-1 and was a jaffa I would do what teal'c would have done

[colonel Mitchell]

i hope its possible